Trump’s last hours

What a shameful end to the Trump presidency. Every decent Tory, every decent conservative, every decent patriot, will have to live down the scenes from the Capitol Building in Washington: its storming by a mob incited by a president who insists his ‘landslide victory’ was stolen, and was recently recorded telling Georgia’s Republican election chief to ‘find’ enough votes to overturn the election result. 

But equally discreditable are the attempts of ‘conservative’ libertarians to excuse it as an episode manufactured by the establishment to discredit Trump: by the fake media, the fake judiciary, the fake electoral officials who manufactured Biden’s fake victory, the fake Americans who voted Democrat, the fake military and police, the fake security guards of the Capitol building, the symbol of America’s fake democracy. Of course, the pistols of the plain-clothed FBI men drawn to protect senators were fake too. 

Every single lawsuit brought by Trump alleging electoral fraud has been thrown out by the judges, including Trump-appointed judges, with two lawsuits even rejected by the Trump-appointed (majority) Supreme Court. Fake judges? Fake law? 

If the democratic system is so rotten that it must be pulled down, and the avenues of rational debate and persuasion are so muddied that they are useless, then all we are left with is mobs battling it out on the streets, and rival demagogues, puffed up with narcissism and paranoia, trading multiple conspiracy theories. 

It may well be that the liberal establishment is ultimately to blame, having propagated its own grand conspiracy theory founded on half-baked deconstructive cultural Marxism, and fuelled by the moral righteousness of a decadent elite class, which believes that so long as it preaches white guilt in public, it is relieved of all social and moral obligations in private, and can continue to enjoy its wealth and privilege without restraint.  

But rabble rousing on the street cannot be the answer. Nor can smashing our democratic institutions. 

Putin and Xi Jinping must be laughing their heads off

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  1. And after Trump? What? What will Biden-Harris bring? Most likely, to cover up the violence and chaos, there will be ever greater anti-Reality projected by the mainstream and social media as enabled by Big Tech. Violence, looting and destruction by Blacks and Hispanics are likely to ramp up hugely. The internal security forces will be tested beyond limits by Chinese and Muslim infiltrators. Waves of illegals coming across the Mexican border will stretch reception and healthcare facilities, all in the time of the Chinese plague. Meanwhile, in international affairs, Biden-Harris will give Iran the greenlight for the bomb and its ME ambitions, and by rejoining the Paris Accord will greenlight China and India to burn fossil fuels mightily. But the EU people might be a bit surprised to find that Biden-Harris will tell ’em that they have to pay much, much more for their own defence. Back home, it seems likely that Biden-Harris will impose stiff new regulations on business (definitely starting with the 15 dollar/hr mandate) and drive up unemployment and fuel costs -all to kill small business. And the costs and scale of Black violence and low productivity will become ever more difficult to deny/ignore. Little of this will cause hardship for the top 10% to 20% of Americans. But some non-Dem whites at high levels and most whites further down -the people who supported Trump- will be badly affected. What they do, in response to destructive acts and major fibbing by both the Democrat government (Admin, Reps, Senate) and by the news/opinion media will be significant for the future of Western Civ.

    • The Fed can not set a minimum wage for private businesses. The states can do this. The US was never in the Paris Accords, which is of course a lefty sham. The Accords is a treaty which must be approved by Senate after POTUS asks them to. No POTUS asked, and the Senate never did. This may change, to America’s disadvantage.

      • The U.S. federal government can indeed set a minimum wage for private businesses and has done so. It is $7.25 an hour. A state can set a higher minimum wage and 30 states have done so, but a state cannot set a lower one.

        • The Fed can also put people out of work by raising the minimum wage. They shouldn’t do this either, but Biden is an idiot who never worked at anything but the public trough in his useless life. Small businesses will suffer. This is one reason that so many people loathe and mistrust the Fed.

  2. What is relevant//significant, now? For journalists to take an interest in? I ask for the case to be made that the killing of a white woman during the Capitol invasion is not relevant. There is no mention in any journal, of any medium, of any investigation into the woman’s death. It is clear from publicly available videos that the fatal shot, the only shot fired during the event, was fired by a black man. It is being said that this black security officer was an affirmative action appointment, and was known to have made derogatory comments about Trump, Republicans, whites, and esp white women. No journalist is pursuing is any of this. Also ignored is that no mention of the circumstances of the killing has been made by the Capitol Police, and no other authority has asked the Capitol Police for an explanation. Is this OK? If so, by what criteria? Can a journalist, having investigated this event, report on these matters? Or at least say why this killing is not relevant/significant.

    • Damned good question, Harry. For 80 million Americans the killing and subsequent burying of the killing of Ashli Babbitt constitutes the clearest possible indictment of the American Establishment. Malign people ask how the stealing of the election could ever have been done given the sheer number of people involved. But then we see the shocking hypocrisy of the Establishment behaviour in respect to the events in the Capitol Building, with no visible breaking of ranks – not by a single senior politician or journalist, policeman, or government lawyer. So much for American individualism, not to mention civic service, honesty and integrity. Such qualities obviously only reside in Red State America. One must now expect the conversation in the latter to return, after 160 years, to secession; though on what geographic, political, and racial basis a new nation may arise I could not say.

      • The left has been working on this election since Trump’s first election. They have violated the terms of their own state constitutions – Secretaries of State can not change election laws and they certainly can’t do it the day before, or of. an election. The state election laws are determined by the state legislatures – not the Sec State. Any lawsuits should start there. This makes many people wonder how many other elections have been influenced this way.

  3. Dear Harry.

    Yes, it was the stated policy of the Democrat Party before the 2016 election and is, surely, why so many Americans voted for Trump – a complete outsider – who recognised the true fears of the lower paid and disenfranchised patriots to the Constitution. The election of the Biden/Kamala duo has some parallels to that which is chronicled in Ann Applebaum’s book ‘Iron Curtain’ on the Bolshevik ”liberation’ of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, and Germany in 1944/5. Initially, the Moscow trained Communist Party Poles, Czechs, Romanians, and Germans contested in legitimate elections with other established parties but, after repeated rejection, they resorted to violence, fraud, and engineered laws to emasculate more popular indigenous opposition parties along with infiltrating and transforming institutions that resisted the new order. We have seen that happen in Britain from the 1960s-on and only the chance mistake of Brexit has put a temporary spanner in the works. Much the same in happening in America and, having lost to a populist movement for national interest in 2016, which looked set for victory in 2020 despite every trick to overturn the legitimate government, I strongly believe that a Bolshevik style election fraud has been perpetrated on the American people by shadowy people in the Democrat Party.

  4. Very well put Penelope, and I agree. Concerning Professor Scruton’s little comment on President Trump I think he was attempting to explain a certain personal persona, which can rebound unfavourably on all of us, which philosophers can be well qualified to do ; but he was not here to see this election and I doubt he would condone the left’s cheating and fraudulent voting. In politics at this level I look for aims and philosophy as it relates to my country, and try to draw a veil over personal appearances & little idiosyncrasies.

    • Philosophers do not explain ‘personal pesona,’ what ever that may be. That isn’t in their purview. Thank heavens. They argue enough about everything else.

  5. I am confused by all these responses to the Trump’s Last hours article in the Salisbury Review. They all turned up in my junk email an d it is difficult to see who is saying what about what.

    However , someone accused me of having the “public relations attitude to journalism”, excoriated by Myles Harris, and said that was why I was objecting to this article.

    No, I was objecting to it because, as someone else pointed out, I subscribe to the Salisbury Review precisely because I want to hear a free speech right wing, conservative point of view. As another fellow critic said, we read SR precisely to hear a view that we will not find in the Guardian. The view in this article could have been found in the Guardian.

    Also I would like to criticise the person who quoted Roger Scruton on Trump in support of this article . Much as I admire some of what Scruton has said and written I do not think he is right on every subject. He was clearly wrong about Trump, who, as someone else in these responses has pointed out, was actually the defender of our own culture and western values and heaven help us with the leftie Marxist Islamist pro China government that is coming into power next week.

  6. Dear Guessedworker.

    You make a good point. George Orwell was a celebrated thinker/writer and a patriot who put his life on the line in Spain. Enoch Powell was a professor of Greek at the age of 25, an M.P. who put country before party, and a patriot who gave up his professorship in Australia and returned to England to join the army as a private at the outbreak of war. I suspect that kind of commitment to one’s country is a thing of the past in Britain but there are plenty of patriots in the U.S.A. who will not simply stand by. The Democrat party has been captured by left-radicals and through their rich and powerful tech allies, are showing some success in corrupting the 1st Amendment to silence their opponents and are now poised to attack the 2nd Amendment but let us hope that the Supreme Court will protect and uphold that precious freedom. I like the little phrase: ‘my right to own a gun protects your right to say I can’t’.

  7. Dear PJR.

    Yes, you are right to correct me. Born in Prussia which became part of the German confederated state in 1871 but fostered in London.

  8. In 2005, Jimmy Carter (D) and James Baker (R) warned of mail-in ballots. As we now see, their warnings went un-heeded. This has given the left much time to perfect the fraud. It also shows how desperate and toxic the left has become in the intervening years. It’s a pity that more people in the center and the right weren’t paying attention.

  9. I support President Trump and wish he was still President, to finish the job of resurrecting the USA. The election of Biden smacks loudly of fraudulent vote rigging. President Trump, by all accounts was coasting to victory when almost at the last minute, all the votes coming in, in a number of critical States became solidly for one candidate only, in other words they somehow changed dramatically, all, or the majority, one way. I’ve been a worker in elections over many years, handing out at the booths, and scrutineering in the electoral commission counting rooms, plus of course assiduously watching all the results coming in from all the booths right down to the wire, along with many others of even more experience and can say that in a free and fair secret ballot, liberal democracy, a sudden change like that just can’t happen, it can only be put down to fraudulent manipulation somehow. First there’s the postal votes, totally unnecessary in a non-compulsory voting system…who wanted them ? Then there was the secret counting ; if you’ve got thousands of fraudulent votes in a box out of site pre-prepared, it would only take a few minutes to whip them out and replace the valid votes when the scrutineers are out of the room, particularly if you’ve rehearsed the exercise, and the Democrats and the left in general have been demonstrating their virulent hatred of President Trump for 4 years, plenty of time for all the rehearsals under the sun. When you add computer malware manipulation to this murky soup the election becomes fraudulent alright. Who in the world could ever have sanctioned such a loose cannon method of voting as computer voting anyway. To the geniuses in silicon valley or wherever in the US it would be child’s play to set up a program that would flip votes when needed, and they were needed, because President Trump was coasting to victory.
    Concerning Left and Right wing it is my considered view now, that over the last 50 years, the left have made all the inroads necessary to capture the Centre. Now there is only Left or Right, if you think you’re Centre, then I’m afraid you’ve slipped over to the left who have quietly captured it, or maybe not so quietly. I always think of Yeats ‘The Second Coming’ and that line ‘things fall apart ; the centre cannot hold ;’ and apply it to our present political situation.

  10. Roger Scruton, the founding father of The Salisbury Review, and the greatest conservative philosopher of recent times, on Donald Trump.
    Here is the last paragraph:

    About such things it is fair to say that Mr. Trump has at best only a distorted vision. He is a product of the cultural decline that is rapidly consigning our artistic and philosophical inheritance to oblivion. And perhaps the principal reason for doubting Mr. Trump’s conservative credentials is that being a creation of social media, he has lost the sense that there is a civilization out there that stands above his deals and his tweets in a posture of disinterested judgment.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/opinion/what-trump-doesnt-get-about-conservatism.html

    Any thoughts?

    • President Trump has pointed out many of the failures of the culture and the political system. The Republicans who ran against him in the primary were all globalists – nice enough fellows, but none of them had leadership quality to be POTUS. Mr Trump put a long pole in the DC swamp and poked about. You see what rose to the surface.

    • First off, the NYT is somewhat compromised editorially, and is unlikely to respect a white American blue-collar movement or its apparent champion. Bibi is great, though; if you get my drift.

      Second, defending civilisation is not the point. In this ordering of value, Scruton affirms himself as an aesthete, and not a heart-felt son of the English. Defending the life and interests of one’s own descent group is the natural and existent imperative, to which Scruton could never really commit. Sadly, in an existential crisis such as ours there is no comfortable conservative-traditionalist fence on which to sit. If one advocates for some other value other than the life and interests of one’s own people then, in the end, one is advocating against them.

      • Yes GW, and the more I see of ordinary people, like myself, the more I believe we’d benefit by reduced use of recreational drugs (incl alcohol) as we deal with life’s various challenges.

        • I once interviewed a former CIA asset. She was a great kid, full of heart; and she had no doubt that the global drug trade was inexorably linked with her former employer. Personally, I have always been puzzled by the fact that a street-wise 12 year old can buy drugs at any hour of any day yet our wonderful police service can’t stamp the whole trade out at 9.00 am tomorrow morning.

          On the doleful general effect of this behavioural plague, the only real protection from it is to develop a social model which produces whole human beings; and to my mind that begins not in an attempt to return to the deeper social forms of the past, but to renew so they may become emergent. The difference is more than a matter of utility, since imposition is never a giver of the authentic. Ultimately it is the authentic we should seek to release.

      • “Somewhat compromised editorially?” The Gnu York TIMES? The TIMES is a hotbed of anti-Trump hatred, lies, and biased reporting It is difficult to see the difference between their editorials and their reporting. The TIMES was a leader of the charge to perpetuate the RUSSIA! hoax. I think they still would have us believe the lie. The TIMES and the WAPOST both ought to be sued for libel – except that in America libel – even if the case – is next to impossible to prove. Those papers – and their handmaidens in the press – are paid- in-full members of the Swamp.

    • Trump was defending our civilisation from mass immigration, Islam , the Chinese , Big Tech, unemployment, greens, marxists , BLM and critical race theory, destruction of the American constitution, and many other threats to civilisation. You wait to see the destruction of civilisation that the Democrats will bring.

      • Yes, and to say the obvious: V large proportions of non-whites, esp Muslims and blacks, but also several Asian groups, hate whites. The US Democrat Party now comprises factions, non-white and white, who are anti-white in one way or other. On its Inauguration, the Biden-Harris Admin is expected to legalise 10 to 20 million non-white illegals, and open US borders to more non-whites, incl Muslims from everywhere. The implications of all this are ignored, even by many white nominal conservatives/realists. The great majority of influential non-whites want to subjugate whites and confiscate their property -must understand this.

        • The left always panders to special interests. Most conservatives understand this very well. They have been watching the left’s dangerous policies for years. I expect that at some point, either BIden or Harris will decide that transgendered phyllum should be allowed to compete in womens’ sports.

    • As much as I respect Roger Scruton, it was, is, clear to me that Victor Davis Hanson has the better grasp of the situation. Even Thomas Sowell seems to have come round a bit.

      That which we accuse Biden of is emblematic of the left, whereas that which we criticise in Trump is, likewise, emblematic of the left. That which we praise in Trump is, we see now more clearly than ever, emphatically not emblematic of the political establishment, the Globalist (CCP) speculators of Wall Street, the Cultural Marxist media, Big Tech, Academia, the ‘Supreme courts’ and so on. We the people recognise his resolute commitment to America, the flag, the rule of law, cultural, economic and border security, PATRIOTISM! And thus, by extension, the political order of independent Nation States… such is the emblem upon our standard proudly borne

  11. Trump told his supporters to be peaceful, and after some of them stopped being peaceful he told them to go home. What more is required of him?

    Besides, if a few people wandering around Congress carrying lecterns and photographing each other counts as an insurrection or a riot, we need much stronger words to describe the activities of BLM last year. But Congressmen and Senators who persistently endorse BLM aren’t being impeached. Why?

    I notice that the death of Ashli Babbitt hasn’t led to any rioting or looting, so perhaps Trump supporters are more peaceful than BLM supporters?

    I’m grateful to Alistair Miller for writing an interesting article, and to our sainted Editor for publishing it. I’m not going to cancel my subscription just because I read something I disagree with.

    PS: Thanks for the “click to edit” feature!

  12. I am amazed at This article about Trump. Most of us have taken a middle way. The riot was dreadful, but it was not “incited” by Trump. It may well have been antifa and other imposters who carried it out, yes, and maybe some right wing loonies. But it was not the majority oif peaceful Trump supporters who attended the rally. And 99% of Trump’s basic supporters areagainst the impeachment. If Salisbury Reviedw is going to print such ignorant and un properly researched articles I shall have to cancel my subscription.

    • ‘Journalism is printing something someone does not wish to see in print, the rest is public relations. ‘ Orwell. Penelope you support the public relations view of journalism. That is the road to slavery

  13. Dear Myles.

    What gun licence? That option to a historic and watered-down fundamental freedom was stolen from me and 57,000 law abiding British gun-owners in 1997 by the Blair creature. Fortunately, I am allowed to legally hold pistols & revolvers in France and is why patriotic Americans defend their 2nd amendment against iron-willed tyrants like Nancy Pelosi, ‘Chuck’ Schumer, and all the privileged statist elites in their wish to ban guns from world society but will always retain their own private fully armed body-guards.

  14. I don’t know whether the writer is related to Polly Filler or not, but he is definitely lost….

    The Guardian is over to the left.

  15. I agree with all the commentators who hated this article. I hated it too. Every line of it could be picked together. There is enough evidence of fraud to last the entire next presidency in lawsuits but no judge wants to do it because they are human and do not want to cause a riot.

    • That is the reason given that the SUPREMES did not want to hear the early arguments. This has nothing to do with riots – the people who rioted – Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, Baltimore, DC, Philadelphia – were not rioting because of an election, or because of a possible Court decision . They rioted because they are
      thugs, looters, arsonits, murderers and terrorists. And mostly because no lib dem governor or mayor stopped them.

  16. Is “Alistair Miller” a nom de plume of James O’Brien? Anymore articles like this and that is the end of my subscription. I can read the “Guardian” for free.

  17. Oh, by the way Myles, I recall in private correspondence between you and me some time ago that you were opposed to legal civilian ownership of firearms; some ‘salt’!

  18. Dear Myles Harris.

    You are quite right to point out that we are now all serving a life sentence in an electronic prison for which there is no escape except for a return to 19th and early 20th century society and warfare where electronics played no significant part. There is a somewhat trashy novel – ‘One Second After’ – that portrays a scenario of an atomic pulse bomb attack on America that kills no one or destroys anything except every electronic device and exposes the fragility of society that has come to rely on that technology. all possibility of monetary transactions, all transport, distribution of food, electricity supply, and all electronic communications are ‘fried’. No forces of law enforcement can operate and, within a day or so, individual self protection and survival are the only safeguard against attack from the desperate and the criminal. ‘Cyber warfare’ has made the Hydrogen bomb obsolete and perhaps old fashioned shot-and shell with guerrilla ground armies is the future that will temporarily kill the electronic jailer. Perhaps Thomas Jefferson’s comment “The tree of liberty must be refreshed form time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” is the inevitable fate of humankind. The first step might be, as you say, if you have the salt to tear down a mobile phone mast. In France, many speed cameras were burned to a cinder by brave Gillet Jaunes in protest to the arbitrary and stupid reduction from 90 to 80kph on open roads. Where is the line crossed from criminal behaviour to resistance against tyranny?

  19. Is it Salisbury Review or Guardian?? A complete nonsense from a so-called right wing paper.

    And irony is that you name this website after one of the greatest and most libertarian British PM in history, Lord Salisbury. And the editors should know what did he think about democracy? If they dont know I repeat it here: Democracy is socialism, it is the tyranny of the majority over the competent minority, it is the destruction of property right. He was completely right and the we can see that in western democracies Capitalism is fading day by day and replaced by socialism. Big welfare states steal from us and increase their power and control and more benefit consumers are supporting them.

    So, writing a rubbish article about the beauty of democracy in a website called itself Salisbury review turns his body in grave!

  20. Editor Harris, thank you for your reply. I ask you to elaborate on the points you make: What relevant reading would assist me/others? Yes, let’s drop Marx: What are your suggestions for analysing and discussing the kinds and degrees of “government/Big State” control of economic activity, freedom of expression and movement, and other matters pertinent to human flourishing. If you do not regard these issues as relevant, please make the case. Are you saying that digital media is the main/only relevant matter that I/we should now be concerned about? Are you saying that mass tourism by Westerners to less-developed precincts is the main cause of emigration to the West by people originating in less developed parts? Editor Harris, you know many relevant things about many relevant things. Perhaps consider how SR content can be further refined to better inform, indeed educate, those of us whom you see clinging to outmoded concepts and concerns, and guide us to more relevant territory. Thank you again and sincerely, Harry Black.

  21. Dear Myles Harris.

    I agree with Peter Hitchens that Margaret Thatcher was not a conservative but a liberal-capitalist whose battle was, rightly so, with overly powerful and politically motivated unions that had all but gained control of government from Edward Heath. Her privatising the monopoly for the telephone that a state institution (Post Office) held along with the ‘Gas Board’ for kitchen appliances was welcomed but sacrificing so much of manufacturing for the ‘service industry’ disenfranchised and ruined too many lives and we might not now be buying so much manufactured goods from a communist tyranny. She also expanded and centralised the state which is hardly the policy of a conservative. Her infatuation with the EEC was a fundamental error for which she woke up too late to the inevitability of Germany and France furthering the ‘project’. Had she recognised the inevitability of ‘the Project’ and cleaned the stables at the Foreign Office with Enoch Powell installed as Foreign Secretary early in her premiership, Britain’s departure from the budding empire in Brussels might have been possible during her tenure, despite Heseltine, Clarke, and Howe, along with Northern Ireland freed from Sinn-Fien/IRA terrorists. As to the Franco-Prussian war, it gave birth to the German state that fostered Karl Marx whose unworkable utopian ideas contributed to the most catastrophic wars in history and ended Britain and its Empire as the world’s premier power. Hardly a footnote in history!

  22. Awesome Welles and others. I welcome articles such as Alistair Millar’s, such a change from the boring hymnals to the 1970’s political revolution of the right. Mrs T, God bless her, is dead and 1970 half a century ago. Mr Black and others might be celebrating the Franco Prussian war for all its relevance to now.

      • You never saw it coming did you ? To start with you can’t have a mobile and keep your freedom..the loss is absolute. Accept the modern technical world and its chains….you can’t cause serious immigration problems to other countries by your cultural and physical pollution by mass tourism. The very fact of digital media means total censorship -because you can only write here on a medium you will never have control of . You are permitted to air conventional thoughts because you / we are safety valves for the resentments of those who no longer control their own lives. But the very paper we write is not ours. Smell the coffee and forget about an old fool who lived many years ago called Marx. Forget about Trump a paper doll, would you have the salt to tear down a mobile mast ?

        • The safety valve you speak of is, in form and function, actually a feedback loop. It covers all opinion, however passionately it is held and however independent its holders consider themselves, that derives foundationally from the same Judaic-Christian-humanist-liberal canon as Establishment opinion. You know you have arrived in the badlands of the nationalism (in the foundational, not populist sense of the term) when the feed keeps running straight and true away from the Establishment quarter.

        • Marx , yawn, died a long time ago, but Marxism is alive and doing well. Have you heard of Gramsci and the march through the institutions? It’s happening now. Myles, you’ve lost the plot and I’ll give this site a miss from now on. I had high hopes for the SR after Spectator went sour.
          There are two things spoiling this site – Werdna and you.
          Goodbye Harry Black. I enjoyed reading your comments and those of a couple of others.

          • Have I heard of Gramsci Indeed I have! a very old hymn from the tattered book of defunct conservatism. These ideas are old and overworked . The right wants something new, and it is not getting it

          • Myles you have no model of Man to propose. You are, at best, a reactionary against the utopian, and thereby a philosophical recidivist (as I have surely told you before). Reaction is a feedback loop because it wants only to return to the same order from which came the ills which belabour it. This is the tragedy of the traditionalism and conservatism which you profess, namely that you have no fundamental disagreement with Judaism, Christianity, humanism, and the Enlightenment model. That totality’s fundamental creative assumptions … the core principles of liberalism … will quite mechanically re-assert their dominion over reactionaries like yourself; for it (liberalism) embeds in them and and in us all, and transmits itself in Time through us all; and it does this not just as an enculturating power, as if culture is human-independent, but as an elemental and inescapable creator of the human personality.

            To break definitively with that is possible but requires a foundational change in men, and the only … ONLY … creative candidate with a systemic potential (in its case, to unconceal Man in his existent truth and thereby re-order his world) is the nationalism of the people’s life and land, natural right and interests which ethnic nationalism. Everything else is just playing at revolution.

            Now, if you are going to respond to this comment kindly do so with some substance, and not with more shallow dismissal. Thank you.

  23. Before you leap to judgment about the President, I suggest you find Mark Levin’s radio program from today (Wednesday 14th January). He lays out the timeline of events, from Trump’s speech to the beginning of the violence. To blame the President just doesn’t jive with the events and how long it took people to get from the Elipse to the Capitol. And the Capitol police were warned by the FBI and DOD, offered help and refused it. You can also read the transcipt of the President’s speech – I found it at ABC NEws – there is not one – NOT ONE – mention of violence, incitement to violence, nothing to encourage or suggest, or even seem to encourage or suggest, that anyone behave violently.

  24. Dear Andrew Guthrie.

    I’m sure that the peoples of those eastern european countries that were ‘liberated’ by the Soviet Red Army in 1944/5 also witnessed fair elections (read Anne Applebaum’s book – ‘Iron Curtain: the crushing of eastern europe 1944-1956) and technology has come a long way since then to influence voters and to rig elections. One only has to remember the method used by the elite in Brussels to further their ‘project’ for a federal europe by rehashing or renaming a rejected power-grab and presenting it for a second referendum vote in order to get the ‘right’ answer culminating in a clause in the Lisbon Treaty to eradicate referendums for further advancement of their ‘project’. The most successful fraudsters are those who convince their victims that they have made a wise decision much as Bernie Madoff did to investors with his ponzi fraud. When the entire establishment of a country is a sworn enemy of a legitimately elected president and has used every ‘legal’ and political trick over his entire presidency of four years to unseat him, cover-up of re-election fraud must, surely, be seriously considered.

  25. The current antics of the Big Statists and their naive idealist puppets in all streams of media provide entertainment for anti-Trumpists, and divert attention from the destruction inflicted by BLM, Antifa, affirmative action, and associated. But the likely scenario is that post-President Trump will be a highly effective leader of MAGA -and will inspire anti-Big State forces elsewhere in the West. And anti-marxist politicians across the West will now be readying their new strategies to push back the Big Statists. Trump paved the path. (Conjectures about the person who shot Ashli Babbit centre on an officer appointed under affirmative action injunctions. This is why there is a black-out on the matter.)

  26. Chicken or egg?

    Dear Harry.

    The scenario you describe is with us and the ease with which the government in Britain has side-stepped a supine parliament to wield power over us with a gendarmerie to enforce it with an iron fist is testament to the illusion that we have lived under for too long. The fury in the relentless attack on Trump in the U.S. is for his challenging the plan by a privileged few and their jackals in pursuing a policy for complete control of what we think, what we say, and what we can do dressed up as ‘equality’. Is this happening as Aldous Huxley described in his fable of the future or has it been a model for those who might have recognised it as the obvious route to complete control of a population though individualism replacing the family, state care of children, conditioned satisfaction for one’s station in life, ‘community sex’, free abortion, state issued ‘recreational drugs’, and constant consumption of trashy goods. Many of those aspects in the novel are now accepted and practised as liberating and the only aspect Huxley leaves unclear is who owns the production of goods and one must assume that it is the state but, as we know, that model failed wherever it was practised; however, present day China would fulfil his scenario nicely. The policy to eradicate criminality by making it a mental disorder must be a necessary element to achieving Huxley’s vision and is sold to us as the only successful way to deal with the criminal. I cling onto the hope that the desire in the human spirit for freedom to determine one’s own path in life and to take responsibility for mistakes and misfortune along the way will never be extinguished but we witness every day just how easy it is with the power of and dissemination of information to mould minds to not only accept slavery but to welcome it just as the inhabitants in Huxley’s ‘Brave New World’.

  27. Dear Thomas Dusek.

    I don’t hate the left, but I do fear them. A Liberal-left hegemony in Britain and the U.S. has quashed a conservative view of life – the attempted and successful ‘canceling’ of Roger Scruton is an example – and the gloves are off as it were. Tyrants of any colour are not defeated by reason and a more robust attitude must be employed if a free society is to survive. If the tyrant has captured the democratic machinery and the avenues of dissension have been closed off what other means are left to redress the situation? Those in Eastern Europe who suffered under Soviet tyranny had no means to resist in any meaningful way and it was only the economic collapse of that hated empire that gave any hope of change. The seemingly unlikely economic collapse of China and its western investors is a worrying new tyranny that might just fulfil Obrien’s chilling vision – “imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever”.

  28. Harry, respective to the groups striving to re-set the modern world, the Big State in this instance is The Globality, Olam Ha-ba, and the neo-Marxist post-racial utopia. Libertarianism is conducive to the first two, and does not possess an inherent defence against the third. The reason being that Man is simply not a self-authored and sovereign individual.

  29. Alistair, man up ad watch this video of Japanese journalist Masako Ganaha who found a couple of videos from the scene in the Capitol Building when Ashli Babbitt was murdered. You tell me why you think Trump supporters are responsible for the rioting, if you can (you won’t be able to, of course):

    • Trump supporters are responsible because trump addressed the crowd of trump supporters, and told them to go to the capitol and use strength to take back what was stolen from them. This woman doesn’t present a very coherent case. There was no need to enrage the trump supporters, trump has been doing it for years, at his rallies and so on. Now get back under your rock.

      • Well I don’t bloody live under a rock. Read the President’s speech at the Elipse – transcripts are available at ABC News – there is not one mention of violence – not one. The peaceful people, which was most of them, were livid at1) the fraudulent election and 2) that their so-called Representatives of both houses were paying no attention to what Americans wanted. And not all of those people were Trump supporters. Were you as upset at the violence in Portland, Seattle, Baltimore, DC, Philadephia Minneapolis this past summer? Your outrage is selective.

  30. Dear Awesome Welles.

    Well said. We witnessed how much energy and political chicanery was employed to thwart Brexit and to imagine that didn’t happen – with knobs on – to get rid of Trump, one has to be blinkered. I was a subscriber to The Spectator for more than 20 years but gave it up when Mathew D’Ancona became the editor who dumped all the best conservative-minded contributors and the magazine has never really recovered. Spiked on-line magazine has taken its place but it’s a pity that they and talkradio haven’t given David Starkey a voice; perhaps they would lose their backers.

  31. Oh dear. Is this the first stirrings of the Salisbury Review going the same way as The Spectator? The only shameful aspect of the events of the 6th are the circumstances which caused it: the complete corruption of states, officials, electors, media platforms and courts by a political ideology whose pure hatred of Donald Trump has collectively sown the seeds of destruction for America. Do you honestly believe there was no collusion? No electoral fraud? No dereliction of duty on the part of Republican senators and the Supreme Court? No hypocrisy, double-standards or outright lies? If you do then you have no purpose in writing for a conservative magazine again, and indeed this magazine needs to reframe its priorities. This entire fiasco and the inevitable horrors which are to follow are the fault of one side: the fascist Left. Not only will Trump leave office with a glowing resume of achievement, but his star is shining brighter now than it ever has and support for him grows larger every day.

    Hang your head in shame, Miller. You’ve got this one totally wrong.

    • Awesome Welles. I welcome articles such as Alistair Millar’s, such a change from the boring hymnals to the 1970’s political revolution of the right. Mrs T, God bless her, is dead and 1970 half a century ago. Mr Black and others might be celebrating the Franco Prussian war for all its relevance to now

  32. Whatever happened to civilised debate? This is a bar room brawl. Reminds me of David Niven’s story of the Hungarian-born director Michael Curtiz, who had not quite mastered the idioms of English: Curtiz to David Niven and Errol Flynn: ‘You lousy bums, you and your stinking language, you think I know fuck nothing, well let me tell you— I know FUCK ALL!’ That’s about the level of it.

      • I’m not a member of the hating left or the hating right. I’m a Conservative. I can take out a liberal or a socialist at a hundred yards with a rifle (no telescopic sight), but I don’t particularly want to.
        What I’m saying is that anyone coming at this debate from outside would see two sides verbally beating the shit out of each other, both believing all truth is on their side and the other has been brainwashed. Now one side might be right. But there are no external criteria or procedures for adjudicating, none which both sides would recognise. Debate is pointless with the enemy. Now there is no longer even the ballot box to decide things. What’s left? Civil War? Dictatorship?
        Conservatives should be worried about this as much as liberals.

        • Firstly Tomas, there is no need for you to explain yourself just because an arrogant individual thinks he can order you to do so.

          As far as “both sides believing the other has been brainwashed” is concerned, one side here has seen a normal election carried out and a new president elected, as has happened every four years. The other side has been told repeatedly that the election was somehow rigged, and steadfastly believes it despite having no first hand knowledge, having no evidence or credible testimony, and having seen all of the legal recourse exhausted. I call the latter evidently brainwashing, the former merely recognition of reality.

          • And AG, one side has claimed, with no evidence, just asserted all the way to the very expensive fake “Mueller” investigation and then a fake impeachment, that Trump colluded with the Russians, and had Russians girls urinate on his bed, and such, and so forth. Also AG, the main matter before us now is the extraordinary assertion of power by the Barons of Big Tech in silencing people who question the dictates of the Big State. This is an extension of the same campaign of power-assertion over the past five years by the Barons of Big Media in demonising Trump and his supporters. Meanwhile, the people who made Trump’s presidency possible are law-abiding, striving, productive people who can see that the Big State -which includes Big Tech and Big Media- seek to enslave us all, in perpetuity. Trump’s supporters prefer not to be slaves. And they do not want the Big State to confiscate the products of their labours and transfer that hard-earned wealth to parasites from anywhere and everywhere. Naive idelaists think that everything should be all nicey-nice and fair and equal -and the Big Statists exploit the delusions of these naive idealists as cover, while they advance their project of total and final enslavement of people who seek to live productively. Just as we saw at Animal Farm, all those years ago. And of course, naive idealists do not recognise Actual Reality even when it knocks on their door and says: Good Morning, I’m Reality, Actually.

          • You are anything but Reality, oh deluded one. You can see some evidence … three hours of it, from Giuliani’s hearing before the Penn Republican senators … is you google YouTube Live: Giuliani at Pennsylvania election hearing. And you can get the story on Dominion via this link:

            https://www.theepochtimes.com/2020-election-investigation-who-is-stealing-america_3617562.html

            Finally, if you want to know why this is happening I suggest you sit tight and google Bitchute Catherine Austin Fitts Full interview.

            Then you might have sufficient grasp of the world about you to comment from “reality”. Good luck.

        • What’s left, Thomas, is cleaving to the truth of who we are (that’s our ethnic group and our race) and the complete morality of our self-assertion. In my experience Conservatives, as vestigial liberals, can’t manage that, though they can manage to smile meekly while we are taken out of existence. Your role, as a white man, is to defend us with rather more vigour and insight than Conservatives can manage.

  33. As an aside, I’m sick of hearing self-justifying plod commenting on talkradio (I stopped listening to BBC Radio 4 some time ago) telling us that the police are only carrying out the law. The police in 1930s/’40s Germany only carried out the law. The police in East Germany only carried out the law. The police in the Soviet Union only carried out the law. The police in occupied France and the Channel Islands only carried out the law. To begin with, many of the ‘laws’ referred to are not law but ‘guidelines’ that gives plod no right to ‘enforce’. Even so, those recent ‘laws’ which they can enforce are so transient – I hope -, arbitrary, and often unreasonable and unjustified in many cases are open for plod to make a discretionary decision on whether to take action or not. Gone are the days when a police constable would recognise no ill intent or a transgression so minor as to warrant a simple friendly reminder. Now we have a ‘gendarmerie’ ready to ‘take the knee’ for favoured political miscreants and carrying clanking restraint hardware about them to be used on a dangerous elderly woman rescuing her 90+ year-old mother from an inhuman and distressing isolation in a home and for another posing a threat to public health for sitting alone on a sea-front bench! My god! What has Britain descended into?

  34. Generally, one’s enemies are delighted to have one argue over incidentals, or be otherwise looking away from their lines of attack. Specifically, the Big Statists now are pleased to have pro-Western/pro-free-enterprise people arguing over Trump’s public behaviour. Note who contributes to such diversion. Such diverters might be in league with the enemy. Or they might just be acting out their naive idealism, addictively. Whatever, it is is best to focus one’s energies on the main matters.

  35. Dear Davis.

    You make an excellent analogy. Martin Luther, Donald Trump, and Nigel Farage stood up to a closed and cosseted state establishment and big-business interests who had disenfranchised not only their fellow citizens, of whom they thought too dim to rock their comfy boat, but sold their country from under them too. That comfy boat in Britain hit an unexpected reef in 2016 which took their boat more than four years to sink due to feverish attempts to man the pumps. Donald Trump has been destroyed but the people who voted for him have not gone away and one can only hope that a more skilful American patriot will take up the true meaning and cause that the founding fathers of the American Constitution had intended and will prevail.

  36. 500 years ago this month the establishment burned the books of Martin
    Luther outside the church of Great St. Mary’s. This was because,
    according to them, he “offended the ears of pious people”. Luther
    attacked the establishment in what was to them an “offensive and
    intolerant” manner and opened the door to free speech. This is much the
    same way that President Donald Trump attacked the comfortable, corrupt
    and anti- American establishment in the USA. “Offending the ears of
    pious people” the MSM, slebs, and the swamp. For speaking the truth,
    Luther was ex-communicated in much the same way that President Trump is being treated and his supporters victimised by their employers. Luther was intolerant and abrasive saying that in order to achieve change one needed to be “offensive”. Sound familiar?
    I am sure that President Donald Trump had no idea that the demonstrators would act in the violent manner they did and would have been very aware of the opprobrium that such actions would cause. Thus it is entirely disingenuous to claim that he “engineered” the violence when at best, all he did was encourage people to demonstrate.
    What is interesting is the disgusting manner in which President Donald Trump has been convicted and sentenced without trial – not even an enquiry.
    One holds no brief for violent whether they are BLM or Trump supporters but the actions of large tech companies and their clamp down on those that “offend the ears of pious people” are actions that the Kremlin and Peking take to serve the exact same purpose. They seem to forget that some 70million Americans voted for President Donald Trump and that their gratuitous and abusive actions will not be forgotten.

  37. Continuing waves of manufactured anti-Trump hysteria. Meanwhile, Team Biden is appointing appeasers and social workers to key foreign affairs, defence, and security roles.

    • He has also appointed a terrile racist female to run the Civil LIberties Divison of the Justice Department. She believes that blacks have melanin which makes them morally, spiritually and intellectully superior to whites, Asians, etc. That is only the beginnig of the qualities which should dis-qualify her for any positon in the American government. There will be more disasters to come.

  38. The Big Statists are now doing all possible to divert attention from their own internal conflicts, and to de-legitimise all opposition. And they are well-aided by self-righteous naive idealists who regard themselves as non-Big Statists.

  39. I note that some official writers (bloggers) in some mags/papers appear to be ill-informed on matters on which they opine, and/or are pushing a barrow of weak constitution, and/or are consciously/unconsciously working for forces that seek our final enslavement.

  40. Agreed.

    The smug chuckle at Alexander Lukashenko’s 98% polling in Belarus but have complete faith in an unlikely election result in America.

  41. This is not an article. It’s a rant. I can hardly be bothered to comment. My wife hears the word Conspiracy and mentally adds the word Theory to it. MI6 and CIA were founded on the knowledge that there are conspiracies – real ones. Creeping Marxism is real. The writer needs to research more.

    • I said it in the third from last paragraph. The question is whose hands did the events in Washington, incited by Trump, play into.

      • There was no incitement. Trump specifically told the crowd to be peaceful.

        What do you think about Antifa in the crowd, and the videos of Trump supporters shouting “Antifa, Antifa” and stopping them break windows? What do you think about Kamal-Harris telling Antifa-BLM not to stop their rioting, or Biden describing these enemies of humanity as a “movement”?

        You seem to have a complete misunderstanding of American politics, the uniparty in Washington, and the white American complaint. You have been swallowed up by Establishment thinking. What, then, can we do to free you from your prison of conformism and enable you to understand the world properly? How about you doing some research?

        • Of course he did not directly call for violence, but he came close:
          ‘Be there, will be wild!’
          ‘We will stop the steal. We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol…We’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones…the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.’
          I think his call to be peaceful came after the Capitol had been invaded.
          The other problem is that the allegations of election fraud have been rejected now by almost 60 courts, many headed by Trump-appointed judges. Are they all in the pay of the Chinese? Is there to be no due legal process? Are all judges fake?
          And is it not just conceivable (notwithstanding the biased media, the BLM double standards etc.) that Trump actually lost the election, his increasingly erratic and bizarre behaviour in recent months having alienated even Republican voters?

          • He specifically called for peaceful protest. Even before his speech he tweeted for respect for the police.

            But you don’t know this, do you? Because you only believe what you are told by the Establishment media.

            The refusal by 61 courts, out of 62, to hear the case does not bear on the evidence; which has not been presented. The refusals were all grounded in objections to standing or procedure. But, again, you are satisfied with the shallow and deceptive Establishment line.

            You don’t know anything. So what are you doing sounding off about it? Of course, you are expressing your prejudices, which are not yours at all really but have merely been imposed upon you by much cleverer others.

          • Alistair Miller: You are wasting your time. The other resident nutcases who comment here are so deeply entrenched in their conspiracy nonsense that no amount of rational explanation of objective reality, however much you try to add the odd sweetener about encroaching Marxism or China, is going to shake it. Such people never want to admit they’re wrong and will say literally anything to avoid it, no matter how ludicrous it is.

            However, I admire your effort here. There is hope for you, and us, yet.

          • Guessedworker: P.S. There is no evidence. If there had been it would have been presented. You are propagating a lie.

          • Werdna, what violence? You were not there. You do not acknowledge the role of Antifa agents provocateurs. You have simply swallowed the hating left’s line, because you are a hating leftist.

            What made you so morally twisted that you support the revolutionary neo-Marxist left? A disgrace to the human spirit.

          • Werdna, try to think free of the white-hatred which consumes you. Google “Youtube Live: Giuliani at Pennsylvania election hearing”, and you can enjoy 3 hours 20 mins of evidence.

    • Tell me: do you know of any conspiracy that’s been proven to have been carried out over continental U.S. land mass?

      For sure: election fraud takes place, but fraud enough to swing an election involving 160 million + votes, fraud which would have involved thousands of conspirators? No, honey.

      • Google “Epoch Times Who’s Stealing America?” Scroll to 55 min 40 sec, and listen to the passage from a lecture on the CCP’s role in the 2020 US election, given by a Chinese academic to a CCP audience. He explains that China has bought the American election with cooperation “from friends in Wall Street” and the Washington elites.

  42. What a ridiculous comment. There was massive fraud in part financed by Zuckerberg to the tune of nearly $500 m for “election officials and ballot boxes”. As far as I know no complaint has been adjudicated on the merits – they all fell foul of jurisdictional issues. It was better handled at the political level. But look what happened.

    The Capitol police were warned that Antifa would be part of the Trump rally dressed to look like Trump supporters – and they allowed them to walk in/smash their way in. Why? No doubt it will come out in the wash.

    So now there is President living on Chinese money and with dementia. Who knows how this will work out but probably not well.

    • So, you think Trump should have adjudicated on the election, not the judges?
      Apparently (according to ‘The American Conservative’) Zuckerberg donated about $350 million to the Center for Technology and Civic Life, which ‘worked to induce voter participation in carefully selected parts of states and municipalities’ by ‘offering election authorities money for putting voting drop-boxes in certain areas’. Whether this would have swung the election or not, I do not know, but ‘massive fraud’?
      More serious (again from ‘The American Conservative’) is the ‘virtually unbounded support for Biden in the mainstream media’ and the ‘censuring information detrimental to Biden during the campaign’. But then Trump overcame this obstacle when he was elected, and could easily have again, given his achievements, if only he had been able to behave in a slightly more presidential manner. In the end, people had just had enough of his erratic behaviour, his outbursts, his handling of the virus, his grotesque narcissism. The tragedy is that he ended up destroying himself.

      • You and I appear to be living on two different planets. While I can easily agree that Trump is not the smooth, diplomatic type and maybe that is to be regretted, what I see now is the world’s most powerful country about to be run by a President paid by China. How far this can be opposed in the US I don’t know – all to be played for.

        For over 4 years some powerful Democrats have been trying to stop Trump – agents inside his campaign, Russian collusion, Ukrainian collusion. All came to a head in a phoney election with a powerful combination of Wall Street and Silicon Valley. The propaganda now has it that there was nothing wrong with the election. Really!

        We are already a very weakened country because of the Chinese virus – but when we look across the Atlantic and see what is likely to engulf the US we should be very afraid.

          • Do you realise that Dominion is owned by a Chinese financial operation? Have you actually thought about any of the evidence for electoral fraud, or are you just an ideological right-hater and an sponge for any and all of the dictates from the US Establishment?

      • It was not up to the POTUS to ‘handle ‘ the WuHan virus. The fed quite properly left this up to state and local governments. Some have done it better than others. The personality of any President or PM can always be crticized by his detractors. It is the policies that should count. The left also went after Reagan – he had his own way of telling them to go pound salt.

    • No problem! ‘Alistair’ is a bastardised Anglicised version of the original Scots ‘Alasdair’ anyway. It is supposedly more refined. Alister on the other hand is suggestive of the dark arts.

  43. Dear Alister Miller.

    Well said. The stated aim of Karl Marx was to remake man and produce ‘new man’. Only a megalomaniac would entertain such a hideous notion.

  44. It’s a dark day for freedom. Trump is naive in political strategy which the left has honed to a sharp edge and, as they now have so much power after their long-march since the 1960s. into state institutions and courting media/corporate interests, they are able to control events and influence the minds of those who do not question that which is fed to them and are deluded in voting for more ‘security’ AKA state power. China has perfected the economic/electronic dream solution for complete state control and provided a model of global power that the elite in the west has recognised and is well on it’s way to have complete control of your life .

  45. Editor Harris, are you OK with the kind of trash being posted below by Werdna -given your recently announced guidelines for comment word count?

    Quality is perhaps as important as quantity?

    Perhaps canvas views among bloggers?

    And really, while my comments were often lengthy, I never offered insults as crudely as does Werdna.

    My judgments of others’ weaknesses were always so well-framed and politely put.

    Kirchern.

  46. Well said. Of course, Salisbury Review itself added fuel to the fire by publishing a ridiculous article by Catherine Blaiklock pretending she’d done “research” that proved the election fraud. Something of which she and the editor should be completely ashamed, although I’m not holding my breath for any kind of retraction. The editor will doubtless defend publishing such fatuous tosh, and the climate change nonsense by the same deluded author, as “freedom of speech”. It’s not, of course. He doesn’t know the meaning of freedom of speech. Where does it end when it comes to propagation of ignorant, unsubstantiated nonsense?

    I’m relieved and impressed that the machinery and institutions of United States democracy have held firm and the properly elected new president will be inaugurated next week.

    I’m no longer worried about what damage trump will do, at least so long as somebody has the sense to sit on him for the next ten days. I expect him to flee from his legal problems, possibly to Hungary, or maybe Moscow or even Pyongyang perhaps. I am, though, worried about some of the brainless morons I’ve seen calling for public executions of such as Pelosi, Schumer, even Pence and Graham. They have absolutely no grasp on reality, have unrestrained anger and are armed. Some of the utterly bizarre ideas I’ve I’ve read on twitter recently have defied belief.

    Conservatives have a lot to answer for. No longer is socialism merely a more egalitarian way of organising society so that wealth is distributed more equally, it is now something to be genuinely feared. Some of the rhetoric on this site is breathtakingly stupid, and frankly borderline fascistic. And then you end up with somebody screaming “they’re going to turn us into a fucking socialist Republic”. Well if that’s what the people vote for, shouldn’t you accept it rather than try to kill the public servants charged with implementing their wishes?

    • I’m newish here. Do you propagate such ‘ignorant, unsubstantiated nonsense’ every day? If so, I fully understand the editor’s concerns about limiting forum hogs and bullies.

      • Good evening, Newish. I think your ire is aimed at our Scottish astrologer, Werdna (formerly Andrew) and I applaud your perspicacity in calling him a hog and a bully; but it would be helpful if you could attach a name to the person to whom you’re referring, especially since this august website doesn’t use the Disqus format.

        Ta.

    • There is a debate to be had about social democracy, the corporate state, a fairer society etc. But egalitarian socialism requires people to be reengineered so that their selfish egoistic acquisitive instincts are eliminated. Since these are integral to human nature, this can only be achieved through a totalitarian state in which individual wills are replaced by the collective will. Plato said it. Hegel said it. Marx followed on. The result? Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc. Yes, I’m afraid socialism has a lot to answer for.

      • Alistair Miller: we’ve just seen the American state, purely through the strength of its democratic institutions, resist the attempt by a despot to remain in power despite losing a proper election. I don’t think we need to worry about the onset of totalinarianism in this country if the Labour party are elected, whoever’s in charge of it, do we. Your article seemed to give a nod to the reality of what happened in the US, aren’t you slightly more concerned about the comments of people here who seem welded to the idea that trump wasn’t actually lying to them, and the utter nonsense that they still believe to be true? And, what similar people in the States might try next? Ultra right wing fascism actually IS attempting dictatorship, today, and you’re still banging on about a theoretical threat from socialism. Have a think about that.

        • Werdna – your political understanding is laughable. Mussolini was a Fascist, a Branch of National Socialism. In your child-like understanding that means Left-wing.
          So,what is this Ultra right wing fascism that is attempting dictatorship today?
          If the Labour party is elected we will be given Socialism, and given enough time that always leads to misery and Dictatorship. Name a successful Socialist country with happy people.
          This Left/Right thing. Please understand that there is no right wing except in the minds of Marxists. It is their imaginary enemy.
          The truth is that there are Socialists (the minority) and the rest – individuals who are not organised, with no plan to take over the world.
          Socialists tend to win because they are not individuals, but a bunch of organised groupthinkers who do what their leaders say.

          • Are you for real? There is no point in arguing with somebody who is detached from reality.

            You can Google “happy socialist country” yourself, but I got the following: “Forbes magazine’s most recent list of “The 10 Happiest Countries” are: Finland, Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden, New Zealand, Canada and Austria. MoneySmart lists the “10 Most Socialist Countries”: China, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand and Belgium.11 Aug 2019”

            Quite an overlap.

            Which is the ultra right wing fascism that is attempting dictatorship today? Really? It’s been on all the news.

            I suggest that even a “childlike” understanding is better than a completely blinkered one. But as they say, you people always accuse others if what you yourself are guilty of. Now go away you silly individual.

          • Werdna, socialism has killed 90 million people since the October Revolution. It is anti-human. Why, then, do you argue for it?

            It is, by the way, common relation which makes peoples content. No people want their commonality disrupted by foreign ingress. Do they.

        • Trump is not a despot. BIden is an idiot and Harris is pulling his strings. The lib dems, the press and some Republicans have been after Trump since he first took office. He threatened their complacency, their entrenched policies and spoke to the fact that they were not acting in the best interests of America or Americans. Americans listened and voted accordinly. You don’t have to like the man to like the work.

    • There is no concrete proof that people legally or actually voted for the Hyena/Jackal ticket . I suspect the legal proof will come out in the months to come. Justice under our system takes a long time.

  47. Most likely scenario now is Trump will mobilise anti-Big State/pro-free enterprise/pro- self-sufficiency voters on multi-media platforms and live rallies. The Left is frightened by this -which is why they are spraying vast quantities of fake/false/scare-mongering trash. Trump not in office is now a greater threat to the Left than Trump in office. GOP politicians will benefit from Trump’s MEGA-MAGA campaigning. And the RNC will act to reduce Leftist vote manufacturing.

    • Imagine my surprise (not) that it is this individual that still cannot see the reality staring every normal person in the face, and is actually doubling down on the stupid trump rhetoric. I mean, the phrase “the left… are spraying vast quantities of fake/false/scare-mongering trash” just shows how utterly deluded you have been. The left!?!?!? Are you sure? How about try reading the article and digesting some of the facts spelled out for you. Trump is only going one of three ways: prison, exile or self-inflicted death.

  48. Trump snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. He had the opportunity to harangue the demonstrators, and tell them, they had won by the fact of demonstrating and should now go home. But he did not. It is very likely this will be the defining moment of his presidency, when it will be seen as clear that he did not care about the constitution. As it is, he has enabled Democrats to cast themselves as protectors of a constitution which they above all want to transform beyond recognition, and now have the means to do so. How conservatives recover from this debacle is anybody’s guess.

          • Oh Myles, are you trying to exercise some pretendy authority in this madhouse? You allow racists, homophobes and conspiracy theorists to put forward half-baked unsubstantiated nonsense about stolen elections and so on, but you delete a light-hearted jibe at somebody who has added precisely fuck all to this discussion other than childish one word snipes. What a ridiculous buffoon you are. Now delete that, if you’re such a snowflake you find it too offensive.

          • Swearing and bad manners are the marks of a bully, if you have a case you do it on its merits. It’s tiresome dealing with bad manners

    • You know Trump’s tweet pleading with his supporters to stay peaceful and go home was almost immediately deleted by Twitter, right? And that the tiny group instigating the violence were carefully organised Antifa infiltrators and provocateurs? And that the Capitol police strangely unlocked the doors and escorted protestors inside? That Trump supporters booed the one person breaking a window and stopped him? That Trump was again tricked, as he was with the most fraudulent election in history? I don’t think you should kick a man when he’s been done down like this. Anyone wanting sources for these details should go as quickly as possible to the few remaining US sites still not silenced by the corporate communist takeover. Try ‘conspiracy’ news site Infowars, still online, which correctly predicted the leftist coup before Trump even assumed office.

      • All of the infiltrators identified so far have been verified trump supporters or qanon conspiracy theorists. You shouldn’t believe everything you read on parler.

        The rest of this is similar bullshit. Trump told them to go to the capitol and “show strength”, even suggested which senators should be the target of their anger. His son whipped them up even more. I hardly think any of them were going to be checking twitter in the middle of their riot, so deleting that is moot.

    • Maybe more than half of Americans believe the election was fraudulent, that Trump is being illegally removed from office, and that the villains have framed him as the illegal plotter. Few will ever trust the US state and electoral system again, nor believe anything by those saying no fraud or takeover has occurred. The ‘victorious’ US left, their Republican ‘pets’ (only about 6 stood up for Trump), and Congress itself have a gigantic headache: how to restore their reputations as honest and legitimate governors. Only a fully-public and impartial trial and investigation of all the evidence can prove or disprove Trump’s claims satisfactorily. Innocent people wrongly accused of huge crimes would welcome and even demand such an investigation to clear their names. Unfortunately, not one Leftist politician, commentator or celebrity has done so. That screams ‘guilty’ and also ‘f___ Trump’s America’, and it will ensure an ungivernable and unhappy and ‘Disunited States of America” until the truth of the 2020 election is revealed. But the corporate communists and their captive media, now busily cancelling all Trump supporters, ending both free speech and the land of the free itself, will never do that. Guilty!

      • Thank you for your comments.
        I’m un-subbing from the Salisbury Review – they won’t miss me and I won’t miss them.
        Telegram, Signal, Gab, 8kun itsel – use discernment, but at least remain open to the truth.

      • Nicholas=VictoryofthePeople: less than half of Americans believe that, only because they’ve been lied to about it repeatedly. None of them have any first hand knowledge at all. If there had been any evidence, the courts wouldn’t have thrown out 60+ cases.

        And as for innocent people being happy for an investigation, well, there hasn’t been a crime to investigate. The attorney general himself said so. Where sound you start? Should we investigate your sexual activity with underage boys? Sound you be happy with that? Of course not, because shit sticks, even if it’s fabricated shit.

        • Actually, little boy, according to Rabobank, who have the best record of any US polling organisation, 60% of the American population believe that the election was stolen. That is because there is massive evidence, laid out by Giuliani at various times.

          You are a malignant little nothing without an independent thought in your head. Aren’t you.

          • Well, let’s gloss over the fact you appear to fantasise about little boys. What a strange insult to use.

            The percentage of Americans who think that is nowhere near 60%. Not much a higher percentage even of republicans do. There doesn’t appear to be any trace of that poll to be found either. You’re making it up. Again. Even Ted Cruz only claimed 39%, and he’s been called out for exaggeration.

            In short, you’re a liar.

            On top of that, the only reason they believe it is because they’ve been lied to so often. They don’t have first hand knowledge.

        • I can’t describe you as a man. You appear much too much the pathetic middle-class Billy No Mates with no job, no education, no girlfriend, but a very great deal of psychological conflict.

          Rabobank say 60%, which includes 20% of Dem voters. Why don’t you research the evidence yourself and then you can join them. The 40% figure that Cruz quoted as from a different polling company. You don’t have to live in denial.

          • I can’t even describe you as human. Even the editor here is contemptuous of you, and that’s saying something. You are a poisonous, racist liar who invents facts and projects your own problems onto others. Your numbers here are absolute lies and, of course, none of us here can do our own “research”, we have to rely on objective local reports.

          • Werdna, I am an Englishman who loves his people, and happens to possess sufficient capacity and scholarship to make you look like the fool you are on any argumentational basis you like and at any level of abstraction.

            What are you? A white-hater who, naturally enough, cannot explain his pathological emotions. If you think you can give me one reason why your politics of anti-white racism is good for my people. Go ahead. Let’s all see how empty you are.

          • You are the racist. You don’t love people, you love your own dna. You have posted on here about your fear that your “racial purity” is under threat. You’re lying about having any kind of “scholarship”. I wonder if you’re connected to those racists in the psychology department at kcl.

          • You never said what a Dutch/Australian bank would know about election fraud in the US. You lied about that too, didn’t you? Everything you say is a lie.

    • Trump never ever went against the Constitution. The eminent liberal lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who did not vote for Trump, has pointed this out on many occasions. Please do feel free to go argue this with him.